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No need of subsidies for wind energy firms: Tulsi Tanti

BANGALORE: The billionaire chairman of Suzlon Energy Tulsi Tanti has said wind energy firms do not require subsidies, as the prices of fossil fuels like oil, gas and coal are becoming more expensive. Quoting Tanti, German business weekly WirtschaftsWoche said that wind energy does not need subsidies as the fossil fuels are turning more costly.

Now that will be really interesting!

member photo If he wants to be overgenerous Mr. tanti has every right to forgoe or return the already availed subsidy catalyzed benefits but Its really questionable if Mr.Tanti has been given the prerogative to speak on behalf of whole wind industry.

Even if Mr.Tanti has assumed for himself a role of spokesman for the entire wind industry and his comapny no more needs subsidies which made its survival possible for last 13 years , he should be considerate enough not to hurt the upcoming companies by such selfish assertions.

If it were not for the crutches of subsidies doled out to companies like suzlon by the policy makers and over eager , narrow focused governments, Suzlon were not to see this day!


He and other of his ilk are advised a serious reality check to see if his assertion is really backed by practical truths exhibited by the performance of projects put up by his company in india and abroad;and for this no analysis is required but his self-conscience .

It is well known that, companies like suzlon have milked the Indian wind energy market to the maximum possible extent and due to its past deeds there are only few potential investors in india who want to do business with his company , any way suzlon has to look out of country .

Companies like suzlon have been availing all kind of existing and past subsidies like,Excessive high tariffs paid by utilities to wind energy , direct and indirect tax exemptions on manufacturing, imports, exports, subsidization in form of accelerated depreciation, sales tax credits for wind farm purchasers, Land allotment at fraction of prevailing land rates in various states ( for which Suzlon has already been running into host of legal cases in the state of maharastra, where farmers have been cheated by the company in mass, as reported regularly in local maharastra dailies.)and many other significant concessions given in the name of dubious green energy promotions.
Now he should not be so selfish to advocate the abolition of existing (small) incentives available to new born companies.

Big companies like Suzlon should rather contribute to face the tough challenges of global warming, aggravated by fuel shortages, rather than trying to choke the small , new born, upcoming renewable and wind energy comapnies!
# Posted By prashant chaudhary | 7/1/08 5:05 AM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo Subsidy is needed where it will make the greatest benefits. Wind energy only benefits itself, the natural gas industry, and the hearts of eco-fundamentalists, displacing valuable public funds away from meaningful base load generation toward an awkward and fickle source of electrons that reduces carbon dioxide emissions by well below 5% of its nameplate capacity. Pathetic. What's more, the whole thing is predicated on the "consensus" that CO2 fdrives climate change. Give me a break! www.savewesternOH.org/globalwarming
# Posted By Thomas Stacy | 7/2/08 4:50 PM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo Thomas Stacy is mistaken on several accounts, wind power is not positioned as a baseload generating technology, it is not being promoted as such. Wind power is best viewed as an energy resource, displacing generation from coal and natural gas, and thus avoiding harmful emissions from those sources of generation that contribute to global warming concerns. For every megawatt-hour of electricity produced from a wind power plant, there is one less megawatt-hour generated from coal or natural gas. Fact.

No one realistically is promoting wind energy as a substitute for baseload generating CAPACITY, as Thomas Stacy has implied in this posting and others he has made -- wind energy is not suitable as a baseload generating technology. To suggest that is it a baseload generating technology suits Mr. Stacy's purposes, allowing him to dismiss wind power on those grounds -- but since no one in the wind energy industry is proposing to replace baseload capacity with wind power, his argument is pointless and misguided.

Wind power has a huge potential in this country to reduce the emissions from the electricity sector and to provide clean, inexhaustible, domestically-sourced electricity to fuel our nation's economy -- as also to provide thousands of new jobs in the manufacturing sector, especially in states like Ohio where Mr. Stacy resides, but that is apparently not recognized in his consideration of the benefits of wind power.

See more at: www.20percentwind.org

Jeff Anthony
American Wind Energy Association
# Posted By Jeffrey Anthony | 7/3/08 5:16 AM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo Jeffrey Anthony AWEA << no one in the wind energy industry is proposing to replace baseload capacity with wind power >>

Even if they don't say so, they are.
Throughout most of the interior of the US, wind potential is highest in the middle of the offpeak hours, especially in the spring and fall, and lowest in the middle of the onpeak hours, especially in the summer. This is exactly opposite the peaks and valleys of load and price.

To achieve a 25% renewable standard, the nameplate capacity of wind on the system will have to be at least 75% of the average load over the year, given an annual 33% capacity factor. What happens when the load is less than average and the wind is blowing hard, like every night? There is a very strong negative correlation between load and wind potential. The proportion of the load that is being served by wind will approach 100% under those circumstances.

Wind can serve 100% of load given wind conditions at 80% of nameplate, and loads are 60% of the annual average. When does this happen? Depending on where you are, winter, spring and fall pretty much every night. Intermittently in the summer.

While wind is serving 100% of load, what are the coal and nukes doing? Mr. Anthony blithely assumes that those plants can be operated on a 1x16 basis. The fact is, they cannot be "backed down" without being shut off.

James Carson, RisQuant Energy
JBCarson@RisQuant.com
# Posted By James Carson | 7/22/08 2:56 PM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo Mr. Jeff Anthony is mistaken on several counts. First, he assumes I believe man made global warming is fact, which I do not. I believe it is theory, and crumbling theory at that, and I have spoken with several real scientists (the kind that rely on the scientific method) who have resigned from the IPCC due to the political pressure to enact inspired policy as if MMGW is fact.

The truth is that MMGW is not proven to be a.) significantly man made or b.) reversible. Please visit www.savewesternOH.org/globalwarming for more information on that facet of the AWEA "connect the dots" game.

next, Mr. Jeff Anthony is trying to tell people (in an expert forum!) that wind energy displaces "emissions" (CO2) on a one for one basis, MWH by MWH from coal fueled generation units. Perhaps this closer true of a few, smaller fast-ramping coal facilities, but not of the larger coal units responsible for all of that global warming pollution. I guess we need to get into the specifics of ramp rates, safety margins of spinning reserves, and generation technology penetration levels to make the point to Jeff Anthony in a way he can comprehend. But there are plenty of you readers out there who are more qualified than I am to do so, so I would appreciate your input here.

Another area where Jeff Anthony is off base is with this idea that the only new jobs that the government could ever sprinkle any pixie (tax) dust on are green collar jobs (a term coined by the inventors of ipecac syrup, I believe), and furthermore, that the more jobs per TWH, the better for our economy. I think most of us realize that if its job creation we want, don't make expensive intermittent power, and why bother with windmills in the first place? There are plenty of beneficial public projects that do not raise the price of electricity and offer much greater net value than windmills do. That is if you are counting the real costs of wind energy, not just the ones AWEA claims as their own. Some fundable initiatives actually could support themselves one day without receiving the lion's share of their monetized equivalent gross revenue from American tax dollars. What happens to the wind industry when the depreciation schemes and tax credits expire?

Thomas Stacy can hear it now, "Oh please Mr. elected official, let's enact a year 11 through 20 tax credit for old wind farms to ensure we continue to enjoy that clean green energy flowing into those millions of homes it powers. The Federal Agency published a paper we wrote that says it's a good idea..." [Insert trademark quote of John Stossel here]
# Posted By Thomas Stacy | 10/14/08 8:45 PM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo In the USA Today today, we see this quote:
Laurie Jodziewicz, siting manager for the American Wind Energy Association, says there are almost 15,000 wind turbines in the USA, and most people live near them "without incident. ... We would have heard if this was a widespread issue."

I contend that AWEA hears of noise and health complaints many times a day, either through individual developers, citizens and grass roots opposition groups, and state government wind promotion committees.

Vague platitudes always ooze from institutions like AWEA trying to downplay negative repercussions of their agenda, and this quote is no exception. The terms "incident" and "widespread" are two examples.

Wind energy does not make financial or environmental sense, period, but to allow them in higher populated rural areas with over a handful of nonparticipating homes per square mile has to make any potential investor think twice.
# Posted By Thomas Stacy | 11/5/08 7:15 AM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
member photo One year down the line...i wonder if Mr.Tanti or any other industry leader has different views...as opposed to the assertion made by Suzlon Chairman one year back! Atleast past one years record for the industry speaks to the contrary!
# Posted By sunil malik | 7/1/09 10:30 AM | Report This Comment as Foul/Inappropriate
 
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